Episodes

Sept. 27, 2022

Episode 30: Every Person Living Under Capitalism's Battle

Hey friends we are back with a Justin and Sarah episode wherein we discuss the ups and downs of living with religious and societal expectations that simply aren't good for humans. We also talk about things that help us, how t...
Sept. 23, 2022

Episode 29: Burnout and Influencer Culture: An Exvangelical Crossover Episode with Blake Chastain

Hey friends we have a bit of a different episode today; we are doing a crossover podcast with Blake Chastain of Exvangelical! In this episode we talk a bit about burnout in the ministry and in influencer culture as well as so...
Sept. 13, 2022

Episode 28: Seeing clearly with Bradley Onishi

Friends we are so very excited to welcome Bradely Onishi to the REVcovery Room! Bradley is a former pastor, the co-host of the "Straight White American Jesus" podcast and author of the upcoming book "Preparing for War: The Ex...
Sept. 6, 2022

Episode 27: Taking the slow train to heck with Josiah Mahon

This week we interview Josiah Mahon host of the "Slow Train to Heck" podcast! Josiah faced a choice that many of us in REVcovery have had to face; do I tell the truth or do I stay silent? He chose the former and as many of us...
Aug. 30, 2022

Episode 26: You have what it takes with Kevin Wright

This week we are very excited to welcome Kevin Wright to the REVcovery Room. Like most of our guests Kevin is a former minister but in many ways he represents one of the best outcomes of the REVcovery journey. Leaving your "c...
Aug. 23, 2022

Episode 25: Flipping Tables with The Naked Pastor David Hayward

This week we welcome to the REVcovery Room the Naked Pastor himself, David Hayward. If you have ever asked questions about your faith and been on the internet you have probably run into one of David's cartoons. They speak so ...
Aug. 16, 2022

Episode 24: Live at Wild Goose with Anna Galloday

We had the privilege of interviewing one of our favorite people, Anna Galloday, at Wild Goose and we can't wait to share her story with you. Anna was faced with some very difficult decisions and while they ultimately resulted...
Aug. 9, 2022

Episode 23: Pay Janice Lagata

Friends we are so delighted to introduce you to our friend Janice Lagata! Her career has included many things from managing the stage for Hillsong New York to writing uncredited jokes for her senior pastor's sermons. It was a...
Aug. 2, 2022

Episode 22: F*ck I'm Still a Preacher

Hey everybody we are back with some thoughts about our time at Wild Goose, how we are choosing our faith rather than having it handed to us, and the surprising ways we are finding that ministry (whatever that is) still matter...
July 26, 2022

Episode 21: Do I stay Christian? A conversation with Brian McLaren.

Friends we are back with Season 2 of the REVcovery Podcast! We are so excited for what the next season holds and this episode is the perfect kickoff. Our guest today is Brian Mclaren. In addition to being a former pastor Bria...
June 7, 2022

Episode 20: Season Finale: Making Peace With Who You Were

Friends we are wrapping up the first season of REVcovery and it has been such a wonderful time. Don't worry we will be back in a few weeks for the start of season two and it's going to be fantastic. For this episode Sarah and...
May 31, 2022

Episode 19: Fun with Resumes!

Hey friends this week we are taking a bit of a break from the heavier side of career transitions and focusing on the practical aspects of how to rethink your resume. Ministry resumes and corporate resumes are not the same and...
May 24, 2022

Episode 18: Grief and Grace with Jenny Smith

This week we welcome Jenny Smith to the podcast and it is a truly beautiful and life-giving conversation. Burnout in ministry is a real thing and it takes courage to admit when you aren't able to go on anymore; even more to w...
May 17, 2022

Episode 17: What You Gain When You Leave

We talk alot about how challenging it is to leave ministry or experience a shift in our faith. It is difficult to navigate, for sure, but what we often don't get to talk about is what you gain when you step out into the unkno...
May 10, 2022

Episode 16: Kevin Sweeney the Mushroom Mystic

This week we are exited to welcome Kevin Sweeney to the REVcovery Room! Kevin is currently the lead pastor of Imagine Church in Hawaii but is in the process of closing that ministry down to choose the next thing ahead of him....
May 3, 2022

Episode 17: Relationships after Ministry

This week Sarah and Justin talk about the experience of transitioning your relationships from the often one sided pastor to parishioner to the more mutual friend to friend. Many relationships can't make the switch which can b...
April 26, 2022

Episode 14: Bailey Brawner: From the pulpit to TikTok.

Today in the REVcovery Room we are joined by Bailey Brawner, former paster, current Tik Tok creator and much more. Leaving ministry is challenging but Bailey brings a delightful authenticity to the transition that is both ins...
April 19, 2022

Episode 13: Rev Ogun Holder finds a New Way

This week we are delighted to introduce to you Rev Ogun Holder, co-founder of project Sanctus as well as the host of Pub Theology Live, and co-host of With Love And Justice For All, a podcast about embodied antiracism. Ogun b...
April 12, 2022

Episode 12: What do you do with Easter?

When you are a minister Easter can be alot of things. It is supposed to be the highest point of the year but often times it ends up being great of others and nothing but draining for you. When you leave ministry, your faith, ...
April 5, 2022

Episode 11: Phil Drysdale on Deconstruction

This week we are proud to welcome Phil Drysdale to the REVcovery room! If you have followed us on Instagram (and you should) you will know Phil's work already because he creates some of the best memes out there. Deconstructio...
March 29, 2022

Episode 10: Michael Bischof of SOULeader

This week we welcome Michael Bischof, President of Soul Leader Resources. Michael comes to the show with a wealth of knowledge on the journey into and out of ministry and shares deeply about his struggles with depression, shi...
March 22, 2022

Episode 9: Justin Halbersma walks out

This week we hear from the other Justin, Justin Halbersma! Justin is a former United Methodist minister and instead of getting kicked out or burnt out he just decided to walk out of the ministry. He has a great story of leavi...
March 15, 2022

Episode 8: So You're Not a Professional Christian Anymore.

This week Sarah and Justin have a chat about what their practice of spirituality looks like now that they aren't paid to be a professional Christian anymore. When your paycheck is tied to something as personal as your faith f...
March 8, 2022

Episode 7: Rev Rob Lee

Rev. Rob Lee joins us this week on REVcovery! Rob shares his story with us about how he got into ministry, the struggles he went through early in his career, and the path he found to realizing ministry wasn't allowing him to ...