Episodes

Dec. 29, 2020

S1.Ep.2 (Re-release): 81% WTF

Think of this as a SWAJ primer. We cover many of the major themes of the show in a relatively brief conversation. 

On our second ever episode, we put the White Evangelical support for Trump in historical perspective. Brad lays out the details on how more White Evangelicals supported …

Dec. 22, 2020

S1.Ep.1 (Re-Release): Why Straight White American Jesus?

After many requests, we begin the re-release of Season 1! On this first episode Brad and Dan introduce themselves and tell their stories of being evangelical youth group kids, ministers, and seminarians, and then leaving the movement. They also explain why it was necessary to start Straight Whit…

Dec. 18, 2020

Weekly Roundup: American Insurrection and Beth Moore's Anti-Christian Nationalism

On the last Weekly Roundup of the year, Brad and Dan discuss: 1) the myth of the stolen election and how it has gained legitimacy through support from GOP leaders 2) comparing it to the lasting nature of the Birther controversy 3) examining the consequences of the myth, including the radicalizat…

Dec. 15, 2020

Ken Kemp on White People Doing the Work

Ken Kemp is not the person you'd expect to be leading small groups and table talks helping White folks understand the histories of racism and strategies to combat it. He's a White male Boomer. Someone born into evangelical culture. A guy who went through seminary and was almost ordained twice. B…

Dec. 4, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Christian Privilege and Raced Religion

Brad and Dan briefly touch on three stories: MAGA rebellion in Georgia, Obama on "Defund the Police," and the federal government's abandonment of the American people in the face of COVID. 

We then dig deeper into two stories about religion and politics: 

-the attacks on R…

Dec. 1, 2020

Sophie Bjork-James on the Similarities Between White Nationalists and Christian Nationalists

Dr. Sophie Bjork-James is an anthropologist at Vanderbilt University. She is a specialist in race, gender, and religion with a focus on White nationalism and White evangelicalism. One of her recent projects is a close reading of the Left Behind series and the Turner Diaries, th…

Nov. 24, 2020

Anne Nelson on the Shadow Network Behind Trump's Coup, ACB's nomination, and the Coming Cold Civil War

Brad speaks with journalist Anne Nelson whose book Shadow Network: Media, Money, and the Secret Hub of the Radical Right outlines in vivid detail the network of organizations, media empires, and churches that sync the Radical Right. She explains how groups such as the NRA, Susan B. Anthony List,…

Nov. 20, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Frederick Douglass on a Divided Nation, Whose Faith Counts as Really American?, and American Exceptionalism in Religious Terms

Brad and Dan begin by drawing on a famous speech by Frederick Douglass in order to put the nail in the coffin on the idea that it is the Democrats' job to reach across the aisle. They then explain why Republicans think it is okay to attack the faith--including the sermons--of Raphael Warnock, bu…

Nov. 17, 2020

Sarah Posner on the Secession of MAGA Nation

Brad speaks with Sarah Posner, author of Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Donald Trump. They discuss how Trump is the result of strategies used by GOP operatives in other countries. The approach is simple: label liberal democracy as an assault on family, faith, and nation; …

Nov. 13, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Reviving the Lost Cause - the Real Meaning of Trump's Refusal to Concede + Biden's Religious Voters + SCOTUS and Obama Care

Dan begins by explaining why Biden didn't underperform and why emotionally this should feel like a big win 

He and Brad also discuss the White religious voters who fled Trump for Biden and why it is/and is not a big deal 

They touch on SCOTUS and the Affordable Care Act, …

Nov. 10, 2020

The Brown Church: 500 Years of Resistance and Organizing - with Robert Chao Romero, PhD, JD

In his new book, The Brown Church, Robert Chao Romero speaks from spiritual borderlands. As a Latino pastor and scholar trained in critical race theory, he speaks to those managing what many times feel like mutually exclusive identities. In the process his book has something essential to teach all …
Nov. 6, 2020

Weekly Roundup: A Historic Election, the Religious Left's Huge Impact, and the Religious Right Remains the Religious White

As we process the unfolding events related to the election, Brad and Dan discuss: 

  • why Tuesday night felt so dismaying, despite knowing it would be a long road 
  • the disappointing turnout for Trumpism and the need to reckon with Whiteness
  • the myriad of …
Nov. 2, 2020

Religion, Roots, and Black National Identity with Richard Newton

In an episode recorded as part of a public lecture at Skidmore College, Brad speak with Dr. Richard Newton about his new book, Identifying Roots: Alex Haley and the Anthropology of Scriptures. They discuss how Haley's book Roots and the ensuing TV mini-series marked a new chapter in telling the sto…
Oct. 30, 2020

Weekly Roundup: America's Tense Moment

In the week before the election, Brad and Dan begin with another chapter of Falwell's Follies. Dan then explains why the polls are similar, but different from 2016 and how Trump's surrender to COVID has hurt his reelection chances. Brad expands on his explanation of why the Supreme Court should …

Oct. 27, 2020

After Evangelcalism with David Gushee

Dan speaks with Dr. David Gushee, Professor of Ethics and Director of the Center for Theology and Public Life at Mercer University. The former president of the American Academy of Religion, he is a prolific author who writes often about his journey out of evangelicalism. He and Dan discuss his n…

Oct. 23, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Hunter Biden Explained, Pope and Civil Unions, and the American Values Survey

Opener: Brad and Dan each get 2 minutes uninterrupted on the last debate 

Explainer: Hunter Biden non-scandal mularkey 

Explainer: Pope announces he is in favor of same-sex couples having civil unions (but not marriages?)…

Oct. 21, 2020

81% WTF (Re-release): The Historical Receipts on Evangelical Leaders Hypocritical Support for Trump

The episode that started it all! On one of our very first shows, we went to the historical record to quote all the evangelical leaders who did everything possible to decry Bill Clinton after his sex scandal/impeachment. They called for integrity, morality, and virtue in the White House. They fea…

Oct. 16, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Constitutional Originalism and Biblical Literalism

Dan briefs us on the dueling presidential town halls before he and Brad explain the tenets of Constitutional Originalism, a legal philosophy Amy Coney Barrett claims to hold. They compare it to a separate, but related issue--biblical literalism. In both cases, conservative actors claim to hold t…

Oct. 13, 2020

Sarah Levin, Co-Chair of the DNC Interfaith Council and Founder of Secular Strategies

Brad speaks with Sarah Levin, the Co-Chair of the DNC's Interfaith Committee and the Founder of Secular Strategies, a firm dedicated to mobilizing secular voters. They discuss the values that matter to non-religious voters and how they can be mobilized politically. Perhaps most importantly, they…

Oct. 9, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Pretty Fly for a White Guy

Some major announcements! We are now a proud partner of the Capps Center at UCSB! Capps is dedicated to ethics, religion, and public life in a way that matches up seamlessly with our approach on SWAJ. Check out their new series on indigenous religions! 

We begin this episode by discu…

Oct. 5, 2020

Trump's COVID Diagnosis, the ACB "Celebration of Life," and White Evangelical Racism with Prof. Anthea Butler

Brad speaks to Professor Anthea Butler, a captain in the Biden campaign's "Catholics for Biden" initiative, and chair of the Religious Studies department at the University of Pennsylvania. They discuss the details of Trump's COVID diagnosis and how his recklessness is fueled by four things: …

Oct. 5, 2020

Putin's Russia: City on a Hill -Orange Wave, Ep. 4

Brad explores the alliance between the alt-right and the Religious Right in and through Trump's presidency. In tracing this story, he uncovers how and why the Religious Right now looks to Putin's Russia, Orban's Hungary, and other autocratic regimes as the City Upon a Hill that the USA used to b…

Oct. 1, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Trump's Debate Coup and How the Office Warned us About 2020

On an abbreviated Weekly Roundup Brad discusses the first presidential debate, the media's inability to call out Trump's threats of violence and election delegitimization, the ways White Catholics and young Evangelicals might be souring on the president, the new documentary that shows how the Wh…

Sept. 29, 2020

America First vs. the American Dream

Sarah Churchwell is Professor of American Literature and Chair of Public Understanding of the Humanities at the School of Advanced Study, University of London. In her book, Behold, America (Bloomsbury 2018) she explores the entangled history of America First and the American Dr…